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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm shawn the forkshop

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porter

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joined tonight as always by lon

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strickler ron

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how are you doing we're hanging in there

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been a long week but

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we're here tonight ready to go yeah we

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are interesting show tonight

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robert sullivan iv going to be talking

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about

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cinematic uh imagery

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and other things that's going to be

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interesting to talk about i haven't

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heard from robert since we were on bte

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gonna be interesting yeah i think we

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were one of the first shows that had him

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on and uh since then he's

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been making rounds he um the first book

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was the

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um about

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the book of enoch and the

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psalmist temple which was pretty

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interesting basically

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yeah york of enoch was about basically

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about the history of

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the masons in the united states and uh

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had a lot of neat stuff in it uh he uh

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had like a follow-up to the first book

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his last chapter

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of the uh of his last book kind of

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started talking about uh cinematic

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symbolism uh and uh he followed up with

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it with this book and i think he's

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writing a second one for this as well so

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he's into this

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yeah he's got quite a pedigree uh he

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uh trinity college oxford university

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widener university school law he's a

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very well-educated guy

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nice guy we've talked to him in the past

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uh he's a free mason

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right you said uh high degree

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32nd degree 32nd degree

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and that'll be interesting to talk to

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him a little later but before we get to

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robert

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you've got some interesting things to

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talk about tonight one

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yeah i was um i'm just going through a

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articles that uh that my friend

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jimmy bryan from canada transcribed

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from some of the radio shows

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and i noticed one where he had had a

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caller that

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called into jc johnson's appearance on

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coast to coast last october

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and he was talking about these mini

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t-rex encounters

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this was in west texas you know i've

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been reporting on the small dinosaur

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like cryptids

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in south texas over the last few years

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in fact i had published about it was

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three posts on that so

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this guy that called him name was dan

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lived in bakersville california uh

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he said i want to tell you about

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something that happened to me when i was

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and saved living in midland texas at the

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time and we would ride our motorcycles

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in the desert outside the town

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and we encountered i don't know how to

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describe it you guys

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were talking about a mini t-rex is it

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speaking now he was speaking to host

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david schroeder and jc

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because we saw i remember seeing this

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thing and it was probably about two foot

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with three or four fingers it had

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it only had one claw and now i remember

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we were running our motorcycles around

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i guess it was green greenish yellow

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i think in color and never really

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i just assumed it was some weird you

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know lizard but i

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remember it was about two two and a half

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maybe two two and a half feet tall

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uh when it stood up it had an egg-shaped

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is that it did look like a t-rex it had

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an egg-shaped face or head

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um said there was um four of us

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we saw it was crawling along on all

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looked like a little t-rex so i honestly

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it was angry it wasn't happy that that

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well that was on coast to coast in

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i don't know what to say about that i

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mean i i i i know down to south texas

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north up into san antonio which is a i

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don't know what they call it that's the

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the um there have been several sightings

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what people are seeing i i guess i guess

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they're seeing small lizards

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you know well i don't know many t-rexes

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uh pretty rare

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i can't say i've seen one running around

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these get to

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get some pretty good size to them upward

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ten foot well jesus that's pretty good

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lizard so uh i wouldn't

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call that mini no and i know some um

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i know some sightings had come out of

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as well at one point uh there was a guy

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who had an encounter up montana at once

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i remember and he swore that was a t-rex

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so i don't know

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you know i don't know what's going on

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well as long as it stays down there it

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doesn't start migrating up here i'm okay

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you know speaking of texas you know they

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from the union again apparently

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you know i think that turns in every

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time the elections come around i think

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that's something they start

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what they're gonna do is they can keep

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yeah yeah the first time yeah

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it's a seat from the union then mexico

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invade them they don't want the united

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well you know stranger things have

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happened and that's why you listen to

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arcane

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radio um there's another thing i want to

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i don't know how many people have been

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watching this show apparently

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it's got a pretty good following but um

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there's a show out called hunting hitler

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oh yeah and uh you know i posted

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i posted something the other day uh

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as you know when i was growing up you

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know i was fascinated with

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adolf hitler and the third reich and

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you know i don't know why but you know i

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guess he had

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read william shira is the rise of fall

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of adolf hitler

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and some i also read a couple of other

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books too i wonder you know

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at that time i wonder if hitler had

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faked his death and escaped

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to parts of unknown because you know

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these nazi hunters have found other

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members the ss and party elite

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i mean why would it be such a stretch to

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believe that you know hitler didn't get

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you know well apparently parts are known

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buenos aires argentina well

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i think the the areas are concentrating

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you know who's to say they didn't create

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it on a labor ruse that

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you know that he actually continued to

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live his resume days out in secret

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uh you know in 2009

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and i remember this because i wrote

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about the mystery mystery quest tv

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hitler's death

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and you know there had been speculation

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that he escaped south america notably

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the witnesses had said that they had

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around other parts of germany regardless

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of the story is there is no tangible

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adolf hitler now in the rush archive

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uh they had the uh the devin that

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he was supposed to be killed himself one

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and a piece of human skull with a bullet

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hole in it so the misrequest there at

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that time said

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the american archaeologist the russian

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dna testing uh

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subsequently back in germany a team of

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experts was reconstructed in the bunker

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using computer technology uh attempting

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now the underground bunker had large

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generators that might have been loud

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out a gunshot what they discovered was

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in intensity during the whole time

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either apparently committed suicide now

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their announcement was there were

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scientific dna proof

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that the skull and bones that russia had

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where hitler's actually belonged to a

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woman between the age of 20 to 40

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and her identity remains unknown now

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this announcement

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rekindled the interest in the claim

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because stalin

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didn't believe you know hitler died he

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believed he got away

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and um the truth is that no one saw

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hitler and eve lebron

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die in the bunker in berlin

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so you know of course the date

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that he was supposedly had killed

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themselves april 30th

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1945. now no photographs were taken

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to document the claim that hitler and

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braun committed suicide hitler's body

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go figure right because we wouldn't want

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proof or anything

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now and no definitive physical evidence

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exists proven hitler died in the bunker

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so the questions left are is it possible

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that hitler escaped nazi germany

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at the end of world war ii to plot

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revenge

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and to plan the rise of the fourth rake

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if he did survive how did he escape and

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where did he go

286
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so since that time

287
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several investigators have raised the

288
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historical possibility

289
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that hitler did escape nazi germany at

290
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the end of world war ii

291
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the fba the fbi and cia records

292
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maintained at the national archive

293
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indicate that the u.s government took

294
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seriously reports at the end of world

295
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war ii

296
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the hitler had escaped to argentina and

297
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for the past month the history channel

298
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has presented

299
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a series titled hunting hitler which was

300
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derived from

301
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70 pages of fbi material that were

302
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declassified in 2014.

303
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now the information in these documents

304
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indicate that the bureau

305
00:12:02,069 --> 00:12:00,160
continued to probe the question of

306
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whether adolf hitler might have actually

307
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survived

308
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world war ii fleeing to argentina

309
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now the the show itself

310
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is described as an fbi cold case that

311
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has lain dormant for 70 years leads a

312
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group of world-renowned investigators

313
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on the ultimate manhunt to find

314
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finally answered the question did adolf

315
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hitler survive world war

316
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ii in early 2004 fbi declassified

317
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hundreds of confidential

318
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documents showing that hitler may not

319
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have committed suicide

320
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but escaped south america after the fall

321
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of germany

322
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a memo from egypt j edgar hoover himself

323
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states

324
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the american army officials in germany

325
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have not located hitler's body nor

326
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is there any reliable source that will

327
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definitely that will say definitely that

328
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hitler is dead

329
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now armed with the most cutting edge

330
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technology

331
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and these newly released fbi files the

332
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team will

333
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approach this case like a modern death

334
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claim investigation

335
00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:06,079
whether they are investigating

336
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mysterious nazi lair deep in the

337
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argentine jungle or

338
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diving for evidence of a missing u-boot

339
00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:13,760
that could have shuttled hitler to south

340
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america

341
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our team will focus on and the tried and

342
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tested tenants

343
00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:21,760
for solving a fraudulent death case

344
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now here the big question is could

345
00:13:31,509 --> 00:13:28,320
hitler fled the ruins of berlin and

346
00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:31,519
lived out his day in south america

347
00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:34,320
uh the theory is being taken seriously

348
00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:35,760
for the first time after the hunting

349
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hitler team

350
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discover discovery of a secret tunnel

351
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beneath the german capital

352
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now tim kennedy who's a top u.s special

353
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foremen's opera

354
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operative who had was part of the unit

355
00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:49,920
tracking

356
00:13:56,069 --> 00:13:53,360
osama bin laden after 9 11 and sasha

357
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kiel who's a german historian from the

358
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berlin under worlds association made the

359
00:14:02,230 --> 00:13:59,920
discovery

360
00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:02,240
and they they showed on the tv show the

361
00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:04,160
producers and the researchers for the

362
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,360
series

363
00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:07,680
learned that there was a mass nazi

364
00:14:13,230 --> 00:14:09,760
exodus from temple hoff

365
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airport on april the 21st

366
00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:17,120
1945 the day after the last recorded

367
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:20,079
public sighting of hitler now we've all

368
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:21,120
seen that

369
00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:23,839
video i mean that that film where he was

370
00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:25,680
here walked out the bunker and and was

371
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:26,240
greeting

372
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:30,079
some uh young hitler youth

373
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:32,000
i don't know if you remember that or not

374
00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:34,160
i don't know if i recall that one

375
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:40,069
on that date eight planes were

376
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:42,399
apparently loaded with the furor's

377
00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:45,279
personal effects and there's record of

378
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,320
this

379
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:48,399
uh the team worked out that the nazi

380
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:50,079
leader could have made it from his

381
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bunker

382
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:52,880
to the airport almost entirely

383
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underground

384
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using the existing subway which was

385
00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:58,079
built during the period

386
00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,279
except for the final 200 yards

387
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:03,600
now rumors have long circulated of an

388
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:05,760
unknown tunnel connecting the final

389
00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:09,040
final 200 yards from a nearby subway

390
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:09,680
station

391
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:12,399
once known as u-6 and now called

392
00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:13,279
loughbrook

393
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:15,839
to the airport using a state-of-the-art

394
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,680
sonar device the team located that

395
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,959
tunnel

396
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:21,040
once inside the now abandoned but

397
00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:22,639
well-kept airport

398
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:25,120
a false wall covering the tunnel efforts

399
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,279
was found

400
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,360
this provides the missing link from what

401
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,199
was the u-6

402
00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:33,839
subway station to tepehoff and could

403
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:36,240
have allowed the fury to escape without

404
00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,160
being captured above ground

405
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:40,800
by the invading nazi excuse me the

406
00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:42,800
invading soviet army

407
00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:44,720
now the team has also collected

408
00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:47,600
tantalizing information in argentina

409
00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:49,560
the evidence includes a sprawling

410
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:50,720
sophisticated

411
00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:54,079
jungle compound uh underground

412
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:57,519
nazi hideouts uh

413
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:59,440
proof of monetary and support

414
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:00,560
connections

415
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:04,320
with nazi sympathizers and in a location

416
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,519
where u-boats were observed delivering

417
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,320
third reich escapees

418
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,720
now it's going to be interesting to see

419
00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:14,560
the further evidence that's disclosed in

420
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,440
the series

421
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:17,279
i think there's going to be two or three

422
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:18,480
more

423
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:22,160
episodes left so you know we'll see well

424
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:24,399
check your local listings for uh hunting

425
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:26,320
hitler

426
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:28,480
yeah it i i tell you it's very

427
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:33,590
you know i i you know i kind of watched

428
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,279
it out of a whim figure nah you know

429
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:36,959
it's gonna be the same old thing

430
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,560
but they really uh they they really dug

431
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:41,759
into this thing and

432
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:44,000
um i'm kind of impressed with what

433
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:46,320
they've been showing

434
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,920
yeah i gotta check it out you know me

435
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:49,519
i'm a huge fan on world war ii

436
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:50,880
documentaries

437
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,079
did hitler use body doubles sure

438
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,839
i would imagine something they think

439
00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:57,839
they think that was a body double

440
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:00,880
that was uh actually killed yeah so

441
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,360
it's not impossible to think in fact not

442
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:05,120
too long ago i saw an article on the

443
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,319
internet and you know everything you

444
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,400
read on the internet is real

445
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:11,360
but they were showing some photographic

446
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:12,480
uh

447
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,079
i would call it photographic evidence

448
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:16,480
pictures of an aged

449
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:20,480
uh fellow who looked like an aged adolf

450
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:21,439
hitler

451
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:25,600
yeah i mean it looked too eerie

452
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:28,160
too similar to him for me to discard it

453
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:28,640
as just

454
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,000
bunk but well there

455
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,960
is a greedy looking photo that's been

456
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:36,799
making the rounds i think it was from

457
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:37,520
the uh

458
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:40,640
from the late 50s early 60s where

459
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:43,039
someone claims it was hitler and

460
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:46,480
one of his girlfriends uh it's funny the

461
00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:47,520
girlfriend was

462
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,559
uh was uh uh

463
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,880
a black woman which is kind of

464
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,240
interesting

465
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:56,960
i don't know i don't know how uh that

466
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:57,520
went over

467
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:01,360
go hitler so uh you know i don't know

468
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:04,799
it's possible i don't know so

469
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:08,480
uh you know there's been a lot of

470
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,360
speculation about this but you know the

471
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:12,880
fact that there's been all these

472
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,679
all these nazi war criminals that did

473
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,120
escape

474
00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,160
and in fact uh

475
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:22,480
eichmann i mean they did catch him later

476
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:23,360
but

477
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,640
uh jose mengele they never

478
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,960
got him but they did find his you know

479
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,640
his remains

480
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:32,240
i just pulled the picture up on the

481
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,919
internet uh that we were talking about

482
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,919
and it's just weird yeah just look at

483
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,760
that picture and though it is a little

484
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:41,200
grainy you look at that picture and

485
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:42,400
you're like

486
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,590
but stranger things have happened in

487
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,000
this life you know oh yeah i mean

488
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:54,880
you know he used to say they're not

489
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,320
going to be able to find out

490
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:58,080
the you know what i mean he may have

491
00:19:02,630 --> 00:18:59,760
actually done it

492
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,640
i mean there there is circumstantial

493
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,240
evidence that he could have very well

494
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,960
done it i mean it's it's it's the most

495
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:08,640
compelling evidence i've seen

496
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:12,400
over all these years and uh

497
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:15,760
i don't know i mean it just makes you

498
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:16,160
think

499
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:19,520
if if somebody his

500
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:22,799
your party elite and ss got away one

501
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,400
wouldn't he be able to oh definitely

502
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:29,360
i there's a show on netflix right now

503
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:29,679
called

504
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,480
nazi hunters you can pull it up there's

505
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,000
like seven episodes on there

506
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,080
it's you know exactly what we're talking

507
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,200
about right now and

508
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,280
it's just interesting that these guys

509
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,200
were able to flee

510
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,400
and then live these secondary lives as

511
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:48,720
if nothing ever happened

512
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:52,160
yeah yeah yep

513
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,160
so um but if hitler

514
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,559
did manage to live and make it to

515
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:00,559
argentina and

516
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,840
that's just a shame you know no justice

517
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,880
there

518
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:08,960
so i want to see what happens the next

519
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:11,360
couple weeks see what you know

520
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,350
uh i just how would we ever prove it

521
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:19,200
though

522
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,240
well i yeah i i think

523
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,919
i guess the only way they could really

524
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,440
ever prove it

525
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,919
is that they somehow had dna from and

526
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:29,679
they had they have relatives

527
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,520
from hitler's uh his son is actually

528
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,600
uh his illegitimate son is actually

529
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,000
still alive in france

530
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:41,120
uh they could get dna

531
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,880
samples um

532
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,480
i i guess they're gonna have to figure

533
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,480
out where

534
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:51,360
there are remains actually yeah that's

535
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,320
what i mean

536
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:55,520
i mean if they do that they can go you

537
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,640
know

538
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:58,080
i mean that's how they found out about

539
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,320
mangula so

540
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,720
weird yeah it is weird you know if

541
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,159
hitler did have a black

542
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,000
girlfriend that's gonna piss off a lot

543
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,110
yeah they could prove it yeah

544
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,120
it's just a joke folks you know i hope

545
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,200
nobody takes it too serious

546
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,120
but nonetheless i mean it makes a good

547
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,039
point yeah

548
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:28,320
um stan gordon said something to

549
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:32,480
tune this week about a couple

550
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,720
out in uh i don't know ligonier valley

551
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,640
pennsylvania

552
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,000
i don't know exactly where it's at i

553
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,240
guess that's out his way

554
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,640
out in westmoreland county is that right

555
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:46,320
yeah that's pretty close to stan

556
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,159
so uh this couple

557
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,919
actually observed what they said was a

558
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:54,400
transparent creature

559
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,240
on november 23rd 2015

560
00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,760
this husband and wife are taking a

561
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,720
scenic drive through legendary valley

562
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,400
i think that's how you pronounce it saw

563
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,159
something very strange

564
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,799
and unexpected on the afternoon of in

565
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,799
this in the afternoon now of november

566
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:11,760
23rd

567
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,120
2015 about 2 00 p.m and they were

568
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,960
traveling on a rural road about two

569
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,400
miles from

570
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,520
uh ligonier um

571
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:24,159
the driver or the car noticed some

572
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:24,880
movement in

573
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,679
some bush on the right side of the road

574
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,840
suddenly an animal exited the bushes

575
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,559
and began to trot from the right to the

576
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,880
left in front of the vehicle

577
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,440
now the driver stopped about 10 to 20

578
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,960
foot from the animal

579
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,960
to obtain a better look the couple was

580
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,240
startled by what they

581
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,960
seeing it was no ordinary animal as they

582
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,480
could see the outlying

583
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,159
shape of the animal but uh it was not

584
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,840
solid and there were no color of fur

585
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,440
observed the husband as soon as he saw

586
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,600
the creature thought it was some

587
00:23:00,870 --> 00:23:00,480
somewhat like a fox but could not be

588
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,880
sure

589
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,600
since no physical features could be seen

590
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,200
his wife also agreed there was a

591
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,240
four-legged creature similar to the fox

592
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,240
the body of the animal was estimated to

593
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,440
be about 18 inches or 24 inches long

594
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:16,000
had a tail that's about a one half to

595
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,480
one

596
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,280
quarter in length of the body and the

597
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,799
animal was a lot

598
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,080
smaller than deer the husband told me

599
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,880
stan that the creature had a smoky veil

600
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,000
shape

601
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,840
his wife however got a better and longer

602
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:31,280
look at the animals that entered the

603
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,159
road

604
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,480
and trotted in front of the car she told

605
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:35,679
stan that

606
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,960
she could see through it and after a

607
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,760
specific

608
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,480
area within the body shape was like an

609
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:44,159
energy pattern it was like

610
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,159
smoky heat wave they

611
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,760
they watched it the animal continue to

612
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,240
cross the road and enter some brush

613
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,159
in the left side of the road and was not

614
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:56,159
seen again the couple didn't hear any

615
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,880
sound

616
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,120
or notice any smell during the four to

617
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,440
five second observation

618
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,840
uh stan said the general air has long

619
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,679
history reports the ufo sightings of

620
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:07,760
various cryptic encounters

621
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,190
i have had similar

622
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,000
reports like this not necessarily in

623
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,200
pennsylvania but in other places

624
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,480
and i attribute it to uh

625
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,880
a spirit energy of an animal of some

626
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,400
type

627
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,039
or you know you know or a human would

628
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,279
walk across the road or something

629
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:36,480
and you would kind of see the form

630
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:40,559
uh excuse me that um

631
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,080
that's what i think they might have seen

632
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,440
what do you think man i don't know

633
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,559
that's just so

634
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,960
weird and i know i say this every week

635
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,400
and folks probably get tired of hearing

636
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,840
me saying it but

637
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,360
you know how do you investigate

638
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,960
something like that well you can't

639
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,200
investigate that it's so hard

640
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,480
this is something that's got to be

641
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,720
sightseeing you know and

642
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,000
um i don't know i i

643
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,919
i tell anything i i could probably you

644
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,600
know and like i said i've had

645
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,360
these type of settings before to me and

646
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:16,159
where you know people have actually seen

647
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,200
forms of

648
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,640
humans walking across the road

649
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,440
kind of like that uh i have that you

650
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:24,960
know that

651
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,480
smokey look to it or a lot of people

652
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,400
say it looked like the predator type

653
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,520
thing you know you know how it has that

654
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:36,559
um yeah

655
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:39,840
distortion thing i hear that a lot well

656
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:43,600
with a lot of these um

657
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:46,640
energy phenomena or spirit

658
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,269
well i've only ever seen one myself that

659
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:57,360
had that kind of look to it

660
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,799
um and that was a cat

661
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,080
um like a mystery cat or a no it was a

662
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:05,679
it was it was definitely a ghost of a

663
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,080
cat

664
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,120
okay and it kind of when i saw it

665
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,159
and i've seen cat spirits before

666
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,600
uh but this had that weird look to it

667
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,120
like you know like the predator thing

668
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,720
was like a

669
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,640
you know she said a heat wave a smoky

670
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,159
heat wave that's exactly what it looks

671
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:23,679
like

672
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
so i think that's probably what they saw

673
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:30,640
i always have that feeling that or that

674
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,120
thought

675
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,039
that when they create these creatures

676
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,360
out of movies and they add these effects

677
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,880
they know somewhere along the way and

678
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,480
somebody saw something like that

679
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,279
that gave him that idea it's like yeah

680
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,600
maybe you know like heat coming off the

681
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,279
street you know when you're out driving

682
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,200
and so hot humid you can actually see

683
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,120
the heat

684
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,279
coming off the road yeah i think so i

685
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,520
think um

686
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,960
i think that's what they saw and you

687
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,400
know i like i said i've had other

688
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,679
reports similar to that so

689
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,760
uh-huh i guess that you know if you're

690
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,440
not expecting it i guess that would

691
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,760
freak you out

692
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,000
so i don't know how you would ever

693
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,000
expect something like that

694
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,400
i think that would be more paranormal if

695
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:12,000
you know you just randomly everyday

696
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,559
install

697
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,480
distorted looking figures walking out of

698
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,840
the woods and yeah

699
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,200
traipsing across the front of your

700
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:19,600
vehicle it's just

701
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:23,200
odd well let's go ahead take a break

702
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,559
here and get our guest

703
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:27,760
uh robert sullivan and uh

704
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:31,520
he'll join us in a couple minutes

705
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,070
show that we can broadcast on other

706
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,840
other stations i'm not going to play a

707
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,159
musical interlude this week

708
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,600
you're just going to have a brief moment

709
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,679
of silence and just prepare yourselves

710
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,399
for that we'll be back in just a couple

711
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:52,000
smoking if you got them

712
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,840
we'll see you in a few moments and folks

713
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:55,600
we're back arcane radio

714
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,640
shawn forker lon strickler and uh

715
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,320
we gave a little bio of them at the

716
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,840
beginning of the show our guest tonight

717
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:06,159
uh mr robert sullivan lon you with me

718
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,279
still

719
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:10,080
yeah uh hey robert thanks for joining us

720
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,200
man

721
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,799
hey lon how you doing thanks for having

722
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,039
me on our team radio uh pleasure to be

723
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,960
here yeah i think we

724
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,039
we had you on the old show i don't know

725
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,640
how long ago it was but we were talking

726
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,240
about your first book

727
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,080
so you're coming you've come and written

728
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:26,000
another book kind of a continuation of

729
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,440
the first one

730
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:30,960
and uh i you've got a second one coming

731
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:31,279
too

732
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,520
don't you yeah i know this book

733
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,000
yeah no the um the the first i think it

734
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,440
was a while ago yeah it was over a year

735
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,279
ago it was the royal arch of enoch which

736
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,720
was my first book and

737
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,840
the the royal arch uh ended uh talking

738
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,360
about sort of masonic

739
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,919
uh symbolism veiled masonic symbolism in

740
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,440
movies that was the final chapter of the

741
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,640
royal arts book

742
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,799
um and this second book or the cinema

743
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,000
symbolism book kind of was a

744
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,320
continuation was born out of that one

745
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:00,960
was born out of that final chapter um

746
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,360
and

747
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,679
as i was writing cinema symbolism um

748
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,440
there were more movies i was originally

749
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,520
planning on talking about but um

750
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,960
it occurred to me that the book would

751
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,640
never end it would go on for on and on

752
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:12,159
forever i mean it was just becoming too

753
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,279
exhausting

754
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,919
um so what i did was um i finished

755
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,600
cinema symbolism and there were movies

756
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,960
that i wanted to talk about so i'm

757
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,279
actually writing cinema symbolism too

758
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,840
um as we speak um that's coming along

759
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:26,559
rather nicely i might add good

760
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,840
um so what was the criteria uh that you

761
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,120
set forth when you started this book

762
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,440
yeah i mean it was what my criteria

763
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,480
would be um

764
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,360
is is when in doubt throw it out i only

765
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,360
analyzed movies that i was president i

766
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:43,440
was president that this uh material was

767
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,399
present in

768
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:48,000
um and um you know it's it's just what i

769
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,399
mean

770
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,559
they're it's just the study of watching

771
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,600
movies um

772
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,919
and watching them over and over again um

773
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,600
and you know some movies you'll see

774
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,520
these themes turning up other movies are

775
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,200
completely devoid of it

776
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,600
um and and you know when i was doing

777
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,640
royal arch

778
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,039
um you know that was more of a masonic

779
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,399
bent that i put

780
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,440
put put on the on the films um you know

781
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,159
it was more masonic movies but this this

782
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,679
book deals with really like a lot of

783
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,399
gnostic themes mythology numerology

784
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,520
archetypes

785
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,679
um and you know going into it i mean i

786
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,520
knew some of it already i mean i knew

787
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,880
some of the stuff with the star wars

788
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,559
movies with joseph campbell

789
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,960
um i had seen the the matrix films which

790
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,399
are decidedly gnostic

791
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,840
in nature um and uh you know i

792
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,520
it was just it's just a subject matter

793
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,279
that interests me it fascinates me

794
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,440
and um you know cinema symbolism's

795
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:39,440
available now and as i said i'm working

796
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,399
on it's a sequel as we speak

797
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,720
well it seems that almost every movie

798
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:46,960
has got some type of symbolism to it i

799
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:47,360
mean

800
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,120
from what i can see uh

801
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,279
you know it's almost to the point where

802
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,080
it gets cliche sometimes

803
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,360
uh let's say i uh just like for

804
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,320
instance now i've i like kurosawa movies

805
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,000
i don't know if you watch

806
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,960
have watched kurosawa's movies uh like

807
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,080
seventh samurai

808
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,320
and you know some of his early 50s

809
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,440
movies

810
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:14,480
and it always it the symbolism is just

811
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,200
right

812
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:18,559
in there uh but as far as

813
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,320
american movies go let's give us a for

814
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,519
instance

815
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,559
uh of some of what you found as

816
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,919
you know being blatant symbolism yeah i

817
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:30,399
mean

818
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:36,159
books really focus on more like veiled

819
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:36,559
um

820
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,600
of times

821
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,480
um you know it's very esoteric homages

822
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:48,399
to things that you may not or the viewer

823
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,519
may not be

824
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,440
be aware of um i mean some of the stuff

825
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,799
that you know just just right off the

826
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,360
bat

827
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,080
i mean like like for example um like the

828
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:58,000
first exorcist movie the one with linda

829
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:58,640
blair

830
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:01,919
and max monsito um you have the idea

831
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,440
um in that film of the one jesuit priest

832
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,519
father carys who's going to be

833
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,519
the savior of the little girl he's going

834
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,799
to he's going to be her

835
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,799
so you know sort of christ-like savior

836
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:14,240
he's going to be the one who cast the

837
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,960
demon out

838
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,039
and ultimately set you know sacrifices

839
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,960
his life for the little girl so if you

840
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,080
pay attention to this

841
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,799
you will see these jesus christ in the

842
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,600
imagery

843
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:26,399
around um terrorists throughout the film

844
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,200
um

845
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,880
one example for example you know for

846
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,880
example he he is constantly in a state

847
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,840
of ascension

848
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,760
um generally he's always moving upwards

849
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,960
up steps up

850
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:37,679
up bridges up roads he's always moving

851
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,399
upwards

852
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,640
um and in fact he's actually introduced

853
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,440
um and this is

854
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,120
this is very clever on the filmmakers

855
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,720
he's actually introduced

856
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:47,279
um when you first see him on on the

857
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,240
screen

858
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,799
um he's coming up onto a subway platform

859
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,640
he's rising up on a flight of steps

860
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,960
and he's actually coming up from 33rd

861
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,960
street which is a clear reference to

862
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,159
jesus christ

863
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,120
um jesus of course was alive 33 years on

864
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,720
earth during his crucifixion

865
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,240
i mean then you have the another

866
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,760
biblical reference where

867
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,519
charis you know he's always in doubt

868
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:09,200
about his christianity he's the good

869
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:10,240
little girls of pop

870
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,440
you know you know he's going to be you

871
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:13,279
know he's apotheosis he's going to

872
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,000
become a

873
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,720
god-like savior uh but his his doubt

874
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:18,480
about religion permeates the film and of

875
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,200
course he died

876
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,840
he gets the demon out but he dies

877
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,279
falling down the flight of steps at the

878
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,960
end which is sort of symbolizing his

879
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,519
skepticism about christianity if you pay

880
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:28,720
attention to it when he's laying there

881
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,120
on the

882
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,799
you know dying at the sidewalk you'll

883
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,640
see a word spray painted to the left of

884
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,720
him on the wall that says pigs

885
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,320
that is a clear reference to the new

886
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,480
testament tale of jesus

887
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,120
um casting out the the demons from the

888
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,720
man into a herd of pigs

889
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,039
casting him off a cliff so so the idea

890
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:47,679
is we know the exorcism is successful

891
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:51,039
but charis dies in in in doing it so so

892
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,000
this was really the

893
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,559
the focus of the book was to sort of

894
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,679
point out these little

895
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,640
um the very veiled imagery going on

896
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,640
mythological themes archetypes

897
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,720
numerology astrology that the whole

898
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,159
kitchen sink is in

899
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,760
um ancient religions um and uh you know

900
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,480
that that's uh that cinnamon symbolism

901
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,159
well you're gonna have me looking at the

902
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,320
exorcist in a different way now

903
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,520
uh oh the yeah no the exorcist is is is

904
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,599
rife with this stuff um yeah

905
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,440
so it's actually the yeah it's the first

906
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,960
chapter in the book and um

907
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,079
you know it's one it's one of my

908
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:25,599
favorite movies certainly for horror

909
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:26,480
films and uh

910
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,829
so um uh let's talk about the occult

911
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,359
uh now we're talking about you know you

912
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,280
mentioned the occult

913
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:42,399
what movies not first of all

914
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:45,599
i i gotta say that stanley kubrick

915
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,520
probably had more veiled references

916
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,839
in movies than anybody that i can think

917
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,480
of i mean look at every movie he's done

918
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,800
starting with like a clockwork orange up

919
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:57,839
into

920
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,119
uh the last movie he did which was the

921
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,599
uh what was the name of that oh

922
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:06,400
eyes wide shut eyes wide shut i mean

923
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:07,440
come on

924
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,480
i mean how many i mean how did kubrick

925
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,520
come into

926
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,240
some of the uh the uh the references you

927
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,079
had in the book

928
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,280
yeah i mean i mean kubrick um kubrick's

929
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:20,640
movies um are

930
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:24,640
are very um loaded with this material um

931
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,760
the the the the one that i mean

932
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,800
there's a couple of them that really

933
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,359
scream off the page um and i talk about

934
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,079
the shining briefly in cinema symbolism

935
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,599
uh because there's a lot going there's a

936
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,440
lot going on in that film

937
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,960
um and you know it's it's what i like

938
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,560
about kubrick um

939
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,359
is is he he uses different he doesn't

940
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,200
use the same technique or the same

941
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,560
symbolism twice um he uses symbolism but

942
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,880
he he he alters it i mean he's cognizant

943
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,400
of it so he doesn't want to you know he

944
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,520
doesn't want to um

945
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,680
sort of you know repeat himself or or

946
00:36:03,430 --> 00:35:59,760
copycat himself that's the better word

947
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,440
um the the shining is is loaded with um

948
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,040
you know material i talked about a

949
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,640
little bit in cinema symbolism

950
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,560
um you know i could have gone on and on

951
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,160
i'm actually dissecting the shining more

952
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,160
in depth and cinema symbolism too okay

953
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,240
and uh and uh no i don't mind talking

954
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,520
about it though um

955
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:18,000
and same with eyes wide shut um again

956
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:18,800
that that's a

957
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,560
um that's a unique movie he he uses some

958
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,560
techniques in that some are more overt

959
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,680
than then

960
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:28,000
you know and someone more covert but no

961
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,720
kubrick is

962
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,839
um kubrick was a fantastic filmmaker um

963
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,000
i mean i like the shining i like um

964
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,200
you know full metal jacket um eyes wide

965
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,359
shut is a movie that to me

966
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,280
kubrick really that's what kubrick kind

967
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,800
of goes all in with

968
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,119
um because i i feel like with that movie

969
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,280
um it's somewhat dull to watch

970
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,839
um it's not it's not the most exciting

971
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,320
movie

972
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,400
um to watch it can become very you know

973
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,000
boring to be honest with you

974
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,680
but but after watching i think kubrick

975
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,119
is doing that on purpose

976
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,880
um and i think that is intentionally

977
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,880
done by kubrick and i think the reason

978
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,079
he does that is

979
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,480
um he wants you he if you pay attention

980
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,839
to that movie and you watch it between

981
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,640
the lines

982
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:09,119
kubrick is intentionally saying to you

983
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:10,320
you need to watch this movie

984
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,119
symbolically

985
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,760
not literally um and he says that he

986
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,119
what he's conveying

987
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,800
to the viewer is if you watch this movie

988
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,000
literally you're going to be bored to

989
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,480
tears and i'm doing that on purpose

990
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,920
and and the reason i'm doing that is

991
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,280
because i want you to watch this movie

992
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,320
symbolically

993
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:27,280
going to get a lot more out of it than

994
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,560
if you just watch it you know

995
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,599
exoterically

996
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,520
and i think i i'm absolutely convinced

997
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,800
he does that on purpose

998
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,040
no but um kubrick's movies the shining

999
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,800
has lot lots going on in it

1000
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,640
um i mean that's really just repetition

1001
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,160
101. um

1002
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,160
i mean everything in that in the shining

1003
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,640
is complete repetition

1004
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:47,119
numbers people saying lines back to each

1005
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,240
other

1006
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,599
something i talked about in cinema

1007
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,079
symbolism um and i could get into it you

1008
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,599
want if you want to go into another

1009
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:54,400
direction was

1010
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,599
the whole notion of the overlook hotel

1011
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,160
being a representation of sort of the

1012
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,320
dark side of the united states

1013
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:04,400
um you know being sort of the dark side

1014
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,359
of america

1015
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,599
being built on the indian burial ground

1016
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,680
um certainly symbolizing the birthing of

1017
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:11,280
the united states at the expense of the

1018
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,560
indian nations

1019
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,320
um you know before before they get to

1020
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:16,400
the hotel and you'll see this throughout

1021
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,359
throughout the film

1022
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,359
um wendy torrence and danny torrens are

1023
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,960
dressed as the american flags they're

1024
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,160
always running around in red

1025
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,400
red white and blue outfits um even

1026
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,240
almond even almond when he's sitting at

1027
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,839
his desk is wearing red white and blue

1028
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:29,359
with the little american flag next to

1029
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,599
him

1030
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,680
so you have this whole notion going on

1031
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,960
of um

1032
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,720
the the overlook being this sort of

1033
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:36,640
sinister representation of the united

1034
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,359
states

1035
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,160
um going up against the native american

1036
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:41,119
uh nations

1037
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,400
you'll find that in the shiny there's a

1038
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,480
ton more going on in that film but um

1039
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,640
it's a great film and um again it's some

1040
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,160
something i talk about in cinema

1041
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:49,839
symbolism but i get into more

1042
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:53,280
in uh cinema symbolism too yeah

1043
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,640
you know it's kind of it's kind of

1044
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,720
interesting there's been

1045
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,520
uh several movies in the last couple

1046
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:01,440
years since kubrick passed away that i

1047
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,480
kind of think

1048
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:05,200
took the style of kubrick uh and i'm

1049
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:05,839
talking about

1050
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,960
ronnie howard in fact when he

1051
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
when he did uh the da vinci code and in

1052
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,400
angels and demons it kind of follows the

1053
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,760
kubrick style

1054
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,560
of symbolism and of course the da vinci

1055
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,599
code

1056
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,720
uh talking about symbolism

1057
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,440
uh there's just so much of it there and

1058
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,160
uh yeah

1059
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,920
it seemed like it was a connection there

1060
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,359
somehow

1061
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,440
yeah i mean i mean i it's funny you

1062
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,119
mentioned those two movies um

1063
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,640
angels and demons and da vinci code um

1064
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,440
are actually two movies i i i delved

1065
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,680
into in the royal arch of enoch um

1066
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:43,599
because because no i don't mind talking

1067
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,400
about it

1068
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,320
um angels and demons i'm bringing up

1069
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,560
briefly in cinema symbolism too

1070
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,760
um but but there's more symbolism in

1071
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,320
i mean i i definitely see parallels with

1072
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,240
sort of kubrick style of filmmaking

1073
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,800
i mean the move the angels and demons

1074
00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:00,240
aside when you get into da vinci code i

1075
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,960
mean of course

1076
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:03,599
you have esoteric themes to begin with

1077
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,160
um

1078
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,520
mean you have some

1079
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,680
veiled imagery going on in that and you

1080
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,040
know

1081
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,200
how it's it's funny if you if you have

1082
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,079
the dvd

1083
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,200
or blu-ray of that movie um and you know

1084
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,520
i guess the dvds and blu-rays varies

1085
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,359
mine has it there's an interview with

1086
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:23,599
ron howard in one of the one of the

1087
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,000
making

1088
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,760
about how he put little homages into

1089
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,440
some of the things going on in the book

1090
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,599
like i mean i know at one point um you

1091
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,880
see a la miz

1092
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:35,839
poster and this was referencing hugo um

1093
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,319
victor

1094
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,040
hugo who was rumored to be in the priory

1095
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,800
of zion things like that

1096
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,480
um but but then howard talks about this

1097
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:45,200
very um another level of symbolism going

1098
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,599
on

1099
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,119
and he even says he says i'm not even

1100
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,640
sure what it is he said but i know it's

1101
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,760
in there

1102
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,599
and to make a long story incredibly

1103
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,520
short you will find

1104
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,160
some very veiled masonic references to

1105
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,160
this royal arch of enoch degree

1106
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:01,359
specifically the number 13 that pops up

1107
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,160
on the screen

1108
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,560
time and time again whenever wisdom is

1109
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,400
needed or knowledge is sought

1110
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,839
um or wisdom is being revealed um

1111
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,440
and this ties into what's going on in

1112
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,359
the royal arch of enoch ceremonial

1113
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,359
and again this is something i really

1114
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:18,160
took apart more in royal arch of enoch

1115
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,359
so if you're interested in that check

1116
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,359
out the royal arch of enoch book um

1117
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,200
for da vinci code but no i agree with

1118
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,040
you um you know you know i mean i

1119
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,040
i could definitely see sort of um

1120
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,400
howard's movies

1121
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,560
especially those two sort of echoing

1122
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,160
some of the works of kubrick

1123
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:35,040
yeah you know when when i first watched

1124
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:35,920
it

1125
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:41,200
was

1126
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:45,119
presented uh and you know these

1127
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,560
these symbols that a lot of

1128
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,440
a lot of these directors will use a lot

1129
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,880
of veiled symbols

1130
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,200
i mean it's almost it that they don't

1131
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,800
want you to see it but

1132
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,000
that you you kind of see it

1133
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,440
with uh you know your uh

1134
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,839
i don't know it's that you've by it's

1135
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,720
veiled enough that

1136
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,760
you don't consciously see it but

1137
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:12,640
you do see it and you react to it i i

1138
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:13,119
don't know

1139
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,440
know i can't think of anything in

1140
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,920
particular but it's just so much there

1141
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,119
it's so much

1142
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,160
candy and uh and the da vinci code and

1143
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,760
like i said kubrick's movies were just

1144
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:27,040
like that

1145
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:28,000
well i mean i could give you some

1146
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:29,280
examples for this and i think i know

1147
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:30,640
what you're talking about is i think

1148
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,440
what you're saying is

1149
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,520
the materials there on the open screen

1150
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,560
and you kind of see it

1151
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,359
but your subconscious mind picks up

1152
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,720
picks more up on it

1153
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:41,040
um and i don't disagree with this um you

1154
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,920
know

1155
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,079
a large section of the book not a large

1156
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,680
section but i delve into the

1157
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:48,079
philosophies and theories of carl gustav

1158
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,720
young

1159
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,880
um the famous psychiatrist who who

1160
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,760
talked about this

1161
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:54,000
you know in his works ad nauseum i mean

1162
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,280
and i believe

1163
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,599
you know his research is critical to

1164
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,200
understanding this as to why it's

1165
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,359
turning up and why it's being used

1166
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:04,240
um and i get into that to get into that

1167
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,640
more

1168
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:07,200
in the book um but but you know just

1169
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,480
aside like i mean i'll give you some

1170
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,160
more examples of this and this ties into

1171
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,160
like with the exorcism with kubrick

1172
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,760
um because they both use this exact same

1173
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,160
trick um so for example

1174
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,640
we'll i'll do the exorcist first and

1175
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,560
i'll tell you how kubrick used it if you

1176
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,960
pay attention to the exorcist

1177
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,960
you have the whole notion the whole the

1178
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,720
whole movie is based around this evil

1179
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,520
demon

1180
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:29,839
um you know and this is really what is

1181
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,560
called me

1182
00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:32,160
it's what's called manichaeanism it's

1183
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,240
light versus dark good versus evil

1184
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,839
zoroastrianism um i mean in christianity

1185
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,760
this is god versus the devil

1186
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:42,400
same thing um and you know you get into

1187
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,880
this whole

1188
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,880
manichaeanistic theme of light versus

1189
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,480
dark good versus evil

1190
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,160
um in the exorcist you have you know

1191
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,760
that the girl living in georgetown and

1192
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,040
its evil force

1193
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,880
invades not only of the home but in

1194
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,319
georgetown in general

1195
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,079
takes possession of the little girl all

1196
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,680
hell breaks out you know

1197
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,680
loose quite literally and then to get to

1198
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,880
get the demon out what do you do you

1199
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,960
call him the two sun priests the jesuits

1200
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,480
you know what's the symbol of the

1201
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,240
jesuits the sun so it's

1202
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:09,119
sun casting out the dark demon um and

1203
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,240
it's interesting kubrick

1204
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,319
excuse me in the shot in in the exorcist

1205
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,640
kubrick uses this exact same trick

1206
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:17,280
in the shining um at the beginning of

1207
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,480
the exorcist

1208
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,880
um you will see when chris mcneil the

1209
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,560
mother she's filming a movie within a

1210
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,720
movie at georgetown university

1211
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:27,599
um and she decides to walk home um you

1212
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,240
you will pay

1213
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,400
pay attention to this you've seen it a

1214
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,760
thousand times

1215
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,440
but your subconscious mind is picked up

1216
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,119
on it more than your conscious mind is

1217
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,480
she is accosted by a group of

1218
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,319
trick-or-treaters what that is

1219
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,640
triggering in your subconscious mind is

1220
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,200
okay that this is now halloween um

1221
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,440
halloween is the celebration

1222
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,520
of the halfway point between the autumn

1223
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,480
equinox

1224
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,400
and the winter solstice this is the

1225
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,720
death of the sun the death of light

1226
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,880
the darkness is taking over quite

1227
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,640
literally as the days are becoming

1228
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,440
shorter

1229
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,720
night aka evil darkness is exalted

1230
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,880
so what he's saying to your subconscious

1231
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,079
mind is okay darkness

1232
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:06,079
is now entering into this georgetown

1233
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,359
neighborhood and it's going to

1234
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,200
enter this household and take possession

1235
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,960
of the little girl it's the death of

1236
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,440
light

1237
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,440
the exaltation of darkness you know

1238
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,839
allah the exaltation of evil

1239
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:18,480
kubrick does this exact same trick in

1240
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,200
the shining

1241
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,640
and again you've seen it a thousand

1242
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:22,400
times you just never paid attention to

1243
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,960
it

1244
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:25,280
when when when jack torrance jack

1245
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,319
nicholson

1246
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,079
um is meeting with allman at the very

1247
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,520
beginning of the movie when they're

1248
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,800
having their little meeting

1249
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:34,079
allman tells him he says the the hotel's

1250
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:34,880
operating

1251
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,440
i think he gives him the first or the

1252
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,520
15th to october 30th

1253
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:44,160
um and then it closes down um and then

1254
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,040
of course

1255
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,359
we we know you know from watching the

1256
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,200
movie that the very first day when the

1257
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,119
torrance has arrived that's obviously

1258
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:53,200
the next day after the hotel's closing

1259
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,319
everyone's shutting down

1260
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,160
that all the guests are gone the staff

1261
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,640
is leaving um this is halloween

1262
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,280
and it's it's the same effect it's

1263
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,359
darkness is now allowed to roam

1264
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,200
uh it's the winter months evil and

1265
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,040
darkness exhaust is exalted

1266
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,280
so what happens all the evil demons and

1267
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,640
ghosts can come out to play in the

1268
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,839
overlook hotel

1269
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:14,000
so this is some of the techniques these

1270
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,599
um guys use

1271
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:18,000
to convey these very esoteric themes to

1272
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,280
your subconscious mind

1273
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,960
you've seen it on screen a thousand

1274
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,880
times you just never

1275
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,480
you know it's affecting your

1276
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,720
subconscious mind um and it's conveying

1277
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,640
these hidden messages to you

1278
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,520
um and again this was part of the reason

1279
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,720
of writing the book was

1280
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,880
to point this out to the viewer um

1281
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,480
because when you when you become aware

1282
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,680
of this when you become

1283
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,760
cognizant of this you you know i think

1284
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,680
the movies become much more enjoyable

1285
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,760
you will see different levels and layers

1286
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,280
going on in these movies

1287
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,440
um you know that you haven't experienced

1288
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:48,640
before

1289
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,640
hmm okay um

1290
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,720
i i had somebody say something a while

1291
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,480
back and i i

1292
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,680
i don't know why i just thought of it

1293
00:47:03,030 --> 00:46:59,760
but you're the person to ask

1294
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,040
uh why did

1295
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,400
you notice in a lot of films even though

1296
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,079
they're not trying to say it

1297
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:10,800
it's nothing to do with the masons but

1298
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,440
you'll see

1299
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,599
representations of the the square and

1300
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,480
the compass

1301
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,280
in other words i and and i i know one

1302
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,119
movie somebody was telling me about

1303
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:21,760
was the the the modern version of flash

1304
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,109
where's the little masonic square

1305
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,040
encompasses on his chest

1306
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,680
right yeah i mean i mean i in some

1307
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,440
instances i think this may be done for

1308
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,480
theatrics

1309
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,400
um i mean it could be i mean it's

1310
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,760
interesting that you mentioned colitis

1311
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,960
because i actually mentioned this in

1312
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,559
cinema symbolism too

1313
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,240
you know i mean i mean in the in the

1314
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,920
context of that movie there would be

1315
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,359
really no reason

1316
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,440
um to present that other than maybe to

1317
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:50,480
convey that

1318
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,079
you know the whole idea of the masons

1319
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:54,000
being you know sort of hidden puppet

1320
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,440
masters and clytus

1321
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,359
being sort of this hidden manipulator of

1322
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,040
ming i mean i guess you could

1323
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:02,400
draw draw a nexus there um but no i mean

1324
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,119
i mean i mean

1325
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,520
you know again i guess i guess what i

1326
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:07,040
what i would point out to to the

1327
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,680
listeners

1328
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,680
um and and you know one of the things

1329
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,359
that's really critical

1330
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,680
um you know you know when it comes to

1331
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,359
this research and writing these books is

1332
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,359
is the context of the movie

1333
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,119
um and what and the context that it's

1334
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,400
being presented in

1335
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,040
um that that is really key to this um

1336
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,640
and it's really key to breaking down

1337
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,319
these movies you know is it a gnostic

1338
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,920
movie is it alchemical

1339
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,319
um is it an archetypes if so what type

1340
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,400
is it numerology is it masonic

1341
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,040
um and in some instances it could have

1342
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,319
you know a guy could just be wearing a

1343
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,359
masonic ring

1344
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,000
for um no reason just for other than

1345
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,440
other than theatrics

1346
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,160
um you know or or what have you you

1347
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,480
watch a tv show like sleepy hollow

1348
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,880
um it's very critical um and it

1349
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,880
definitely has some hidden meaning to it

1350
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:53,280
so again i i would just say um it's it's

1351
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,160
the context

1352
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,880
of the movie but i i noticed that before

1353
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,960
with colitis and flash gordon

1354
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:00,079
and the only thing i could i could

1355
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:01,280
figure out with it was it's either

1356
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,400
coincidence

1357
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,760
um or it's just a costume design that's

1358
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,119
completely innocuous

1359
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,480
if you want to get into it maybe they

1360
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,319
are trying to convey this idea

1361
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,440
of clytus being this hidden hand um

1362
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,280
certainly that certainly i i couldn't

1363
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:16,880
really argue that um

1364
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:20,160
certainly possible yeah cause i you know

1365
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,040
i have

1366
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,000
noticed uh similar symbols at certain

1367
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,920
places but that's the one i do

1368
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,880
remember and uh uh because i had seen a

1369
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,559
picture of it not long ago and i

1370
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,599
it reminded me again of it and

1371
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,359
uh i was just wondering what you thought

1372
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:36,640
about that you know

1373
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,119
also there there is one particular movie

1374
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:44,800
and talking about masonic symbols are

1375
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,079
veiled i don't know if it's anti-masonic

1376
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,280
intentional anti-masonic but the movie

1377
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,119
from hell

1378
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,079
oh yeah uh with johnny depp and where

1379
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:57,520
ian holm played

1380
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:01,040
uh supposedly jack the ripper uh it was

1381
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,559
veiled as jack the ripper but he

1382
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:04,480
apparently he was the one that was doing

1383
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,280
the killings

1384
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:07,839
and he was a mason and they showed they

1385
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,319
showed

1386
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,000
they know so many references to the

1387
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,760
masons in that movie

1388
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:14,160
i you know i i i was kind of shocked in

1389
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,200
a way

1390
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,400
that that much was actually shown

1391
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:21,440
uh what's your thought on that you know

1392
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,319
i i i

1393
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:24,240
i it's funny you mentioned from hell

1394
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,599
that's a movie that i'm actually taking

1395
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,280
on in cinema symbolism too

1396
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,960
there's a lot of veiled imagery going on

1397
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,359
in that um the masonic stuff is pretty

1398
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,040
it's pretty on the surface

1399
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,240
um this whole idea um

1400
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,240
the whole idea that the jack the ripper

1401
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:40,160
killings i mean i can totally break this

1402
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,040
down for you

1403
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,240
um the the whole idea of the jack the

1404
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,160
ripper killings being a masonic

1405
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,319
operation comes from a book

1406
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,400
um written by a man named christopher

1407
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,400
knight called jack the ripper the final

1408
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,359
solution

1409
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:56,000
um and he proposed this theory um i

1410
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:57,040
don't buy into it

1411
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,119
um it it it's it's i i i've researched

1412
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,800
it 50 ways from sunday

1413
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,640
um and i there doesn't seem to be any

1414
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,160
truth to this whatsoever

1415
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,720
the idea is the idea is that this that

1416
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:10,720
the queen's physician a man named sir

1417
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,200
william

1418
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,920
gull um who was alleged to be a

1419
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,680
freemason the problem with the theory is

1420
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,280
there's no evidence to suggest this

1421
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,680
this guy ever was um this is the ian

1422
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,800
holm character

1423
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,119
um in in the from hell movie where he is

1424
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,119
clearly presented as a freemason

1425
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,760
um and the whole idea was that that that

1426
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,200
there were these pro the

1427
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,440
the prostitutes in white chapel were

1428
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,280
privy to this knowledge that

1429
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:35,680
um the duke of the duke of claremont i

1430
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,400
think it was

1431
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,720
had a secret affair and gabe and and

1432
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,079
that his um

1433
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,640
lover gave birth to a catholic child and

1434
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:44,000
this catholic child would have been

1435
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,440
lying for the throne of england

1436
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,119
which of course can't happen you can't

1437
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,720
have a roman catholic um

1438
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:51,359
sitting on the english throne so gala

1439
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,559
was enlisted

1440
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:55,280
to murder these women um and he did it

1441
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,680
in

1442
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,319
some sort of masonic fashion um you know

1443
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,839
and and this is you know there was this

1444
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,119
government cover-up

1445
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,599
about it the the chief inspector was uh

1446
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,640
freemason

1447
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,960
um and this is the crux of his book and

1448
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,319
of course this is the

1449
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,160
crux of the from hell movie there's

1450
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,520
actually another movie

1451
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:14,000
uh believe it or not that people know

1452
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,720
from hell

1453
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:15,920
there was a movie that came out in the

1454
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,839
1970s i want to say it's in the

1455
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,680
70s or maybe early 80s i want to say

1456
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,359
it's in the mid to late 70s

1457
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,000
um and it it's it they they took

1458
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,839
christopher night's book

1459
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,280
and they turned it into a sherlock

1460
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,839
holmes movie with christopher plummer

1461
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,280
playing sherlock holmes it's called

1462
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,359
murder by decree

1463
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,839
it's the same story um it's it's it's

1464
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,160
jack the ripper as a freemason killing

1465
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,599
these women and there's this giant

1466
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,520
masonic cover-up

1467
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,480
make a long story short the material and

1468
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:45,599
from hell

1469
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,040
based on alan moore

1470
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,280
um who is very into the occult variant

1471
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,599
and gnosticism very into mysticism

1472
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:55,040
um i don't want to give too much away

1473
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,240
because this is something i'm talking

1474
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,000
about in cinema symbolism too

1475
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,720
but i will say that from hell um has a

1476
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,160
lot going on in it that's

1477
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,880
beneath the surface quite literally um

1478
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:05,520
involving

1479
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,800
alchemy and uh what is known as chaos

1480
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,680
magic

1481
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:12,559
um and that's what what is yeah that's

1482
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:13,839
really what's going on in

1483
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,720
hell is is the guy the jack the ripper

1484
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,040
character is using the sonic ritual as a

1485
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,720
form of chaos magic

1486
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:23,440
to alchemically transmute the 20th

1487
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,079
century

1488
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,920
that's really the hidden theme one of

1489
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,520
the hidden themes in uh from hell

1490
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,599
great movie by the way i like that one i

1491
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:30,559
do too and i

1492
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:34,480
but uh yeah you're right the the chaos

1493
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,079
i mean the chaos magic i i

1494
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:40,880
i'd even think about that interesting

1495
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,359
well

1496
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:43,119
somebody in the chat room brought up

1497
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,400
national treasure and

1498
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,359
that was the next movie on my mind i

1499
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,880
mean you had to have had a field day

1500
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,800
with that i am i had didn't read the

1501
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,839
book but

1502
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,599
you have had a field day with that movie

1503
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,440
did you oh yeah i mean

1504
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,119
i mean national treasure my goodness

1505
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,640
gracious um

1506
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,359
the the um this is a movie that i

1507
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,559
dissected in

1508
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,280
um cinema symbolism and excuse me in the

1509
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,800
royal arch of enoch book

1510
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,839
um i dissected both the

1511
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,520
both national treasure and national

1512
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,119
treasure too um

1513
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,280
yeah i mean my goodness gracious um the

1514
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,960
first national treasure movie is a

1515
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,319
masonic ritual

1516
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,319
uh you are literally watching a free

1517
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,400
masonic ritual on the screen

1518
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,079
um it's the royal arch of enoch

1519
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,559
ceremonial um the royal arch of enoch

1520
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,520
ritual which is

1521
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,520
the basis of my first book which is the

1522
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,200
examination of my first book

1523
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,359
make a long story short um it's the

1524
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,800
recov the ritual

1525
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,079
um is the is is the um

1526
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:41,040
recovery of this masonic knights templar

1527
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:41,920
treasure

1528
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:46,720
subterranean vault

1529
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,000
beneath the holy ground in jerusalem

1530
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:52,240
and this is exactly what the uh national

1531
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,280
treasure movie is

1532
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,920
it's a recovery of this um hidden

1533
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:57,680
treasure vault this masonic treasure

1534
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,240
vault

1535
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,920
holy ground um

1536
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:04,079
you know and only it's in new york city

1537
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,200
which is a clear

1538
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:08,000
reference to the royal arch masons and

1539
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,119
dwight clinton

1540
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,920
um this very um famous and powerful

1541
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,839
early royal arch mason he was a former

1542
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,880
mayor of new york

1543
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:17,119
former governor of new york so yeah i

1544
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,160
mean if you if you're in

1545
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:20,720
and the the the second national treasure

1546
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,440
movie

1547
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,440
um also has has a lot of veiled

1548
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,839
references we talked about earlier

1549
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,640
about how um da vinci code had this

1550
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,520
number 13

1551
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:32,160
popping up whenever wisdom was required

1552
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,559
um

1553
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,079
you you will and again this is

1554
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,839
referencing this royal arch ritual it's

1555
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,839
the 13th degree in the scottish rite

1556
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,599
um you will find this actually in

1557
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,520
national treasure too at one point

1558
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,119
when they need information they need

1559
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,720
knowledge they need wisdom

1560
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,960
um while riley at one point speaks up

1561
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,319
and says oh you know

1562
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,680
turn to chapter 13 of my book um

1563
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,200
yeah that that that's where you'll find

1564
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,119
the answer so yeah i mean

1565
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,240
a lot of very veiled masonic um themes

1566
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,240
and esoterica going on in national

1567
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,000
treasure one and national treasure

1568
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,480
2. um if you're interested in that check

1569
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:05,839
out royal arch of enoch

1570
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,040
that's why i took on on those two movies

1571
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,640
and you know when you think about

1572
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,400
national treasure i just thought of this

1573
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,599
when you were talking

1574
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,680
uh you were talking about the hidden

1575
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,440
treasure underground

1576
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,680
uh and i was thinking you know that's

1577
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:21,280
kind of a veiled reference

1578
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,200
to the oak island uh

1579
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,839
treasure you know where it may possibly

1580
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,880
be

1581
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:31,520
the the knights templar that had buried

1582
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,319
that

1583
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,880
buried whatever they might have found in

1584
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,319
in jerusalem

1585
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,079
uh that's one of the theories but of

1586
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:40,000
course they're they're now digging on

1587
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:41,280
lok island

1588
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,640
and uh you know i i it kind of it kind

1589
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,079
of gets that theme to me i don't know

1590
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,599
about you

1591
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,520
no um no it's funny you mentioned and i

1592
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,720
think we may have mentioned that in the

1593
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,760
last show if

1594
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,920
i briefly remember but no i don't mind

1595
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,920
talking about it if you get into

1596
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:58,799
um if you get into masonic history um

1597
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,359
and you know

1598
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,359
we talk about this ritual i mean then

1599
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,040
you start you know you you you know you

1600
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,760
know the royal arch was a 700 page book

1601
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,359
um talking about how important this

1602
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,839
ritual is you start to ask yourself

1603
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,240
um you know is this ritual trying to

1604
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,799
convey some lost legitimate history

1605
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,040
so you get into the notion of okay let's

1606
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,680
say the templars went to the holy grail

1607
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,200
you know you know they had their base on

1608
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,200
on the temple mount that's history

1609
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,559
you know let's say they did find

1610
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,400
something in a subterranean vault

1611
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,480
they brought it back to europe um you

1612
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,079
know we you know we we have all this

1613
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,000
stuff in you know whatever was maybe

1614
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,400
material wealth capitalistic wisdom we

1615
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,240
have all these gothic cathedrals start

1616
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:38,319
popping up with geometric profession

1617
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,200
perfection

1618
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,720
incorporating the golden ratio

1619
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,799
astrological alignments the solstices

1620
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,000
the equinoxes

1621
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,240
vesica pisces then we have the

1622
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:47,599
suppression of the templars

1623
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:51,200
in 1307 they go underground okay

1624
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,480
and then at some point you know they

1625
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,160
want to conceal this wisdom so what do

1626
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,839
they do they go to oak island

1627
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,599
um and build a subterranean vault to

1628
00:58:00,549 --> 00:58:00,000
conceal this stuff um it's very possible

1629
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:00,559
i mean

1630
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:06,319
island is it's a subterranean treasure

1631
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,880
vault

1632
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,440
um i don't i mean i mean there could be

1633
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,400
a nexus there

1634
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,559
um i i think that is certainly a

1635
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:13,920
rational argument

1636
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,040
and i um i i wanted scoff and that's

1637
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,720
someone who put that forward i talked

1638
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,839
about it briefly

1639
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,200
um you know you get into the whole

1640
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,200
notion of um

1641
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,880
you know i'll just get into this quickly

1642
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,040
you get into the whole notion of um

1643
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,799
you know the templars going to scotland

1644
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,240
with rosalind chapel

1645
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,799
um being this templar headquarters um

1646
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,160
and there's you know evidence that this

1647
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,520
was their sort of their base of

1648
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,119
operations you know maybe from there

1649
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,119
they went to um

1650
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,119
you know you know there to to to oak

1651
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,880
island to conceal this treasure

1652
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,720
um if you look at the masonic rich one

1653
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:46,400
again this is another nexus to this

1654
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,880
thing

1655
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:49,200
um the the ritual the royal arts ritual

1656
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,240
revolves around

1657
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,920
the construction of the second jewish

1658
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,760
temple which is known as the temple of

1659
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:54,960
zorro babel

1660
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,760
um and actually rosalind chapter chapel

1661
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,799
is actually modeled

1662
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:01,440
after the temple of zoro babel um so

1663
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,799
again this is another

1664
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:05,440
templar nexus royal arch subterranean

1665
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,920
vault

1666
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:07,760
so no i mean what you propose and what

1667
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,119
you suggest uh with oak island um i i

1668
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,880
would not scoff at and i think it's

1669
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,160
certainly in play

1670
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,119
um i i i would have no no problem with

1671
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,799
that theory

1672
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,440
um yeah i i don't know i just thought of

1673
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:22,400
it you know i i

1674
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,240
i was also thinking about um uh

1675
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,599
you know there's there's a lot of

1676
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,160
movements i can't that they don't have a

1677
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,359
actual reverse or and freemasonry but

1678
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,920
you know they they kind of they kind of

1679
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,160
put out that illuminate thing which a

1680
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,079
lot of people do

1681
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,599
uh associate with freemasonry for

1682
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,119
whatever reason

1683
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,839
uh just like laura croft the tomb raider

1684
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,640
the movie

1685
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:51,280
uh jfk that's another one they have all

1686
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:52,000
these

1687
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,599
i don't know i mean they don't really

1688
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:55,440
show the masonic symbols

1689
01:00:02,789 --> 00:59:59,440
but they reference like skulls and ufos

1690
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:02,799
and uh i don't know uh

1691
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,160
you know ancient prophecies yeah well i

1692
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:08,000
mean the illuminati is certainly part of

1693
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:09,680
freemasonry um

1694
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:12,160
i mean it was a sect of you know mason's

1695
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,799
um

1696
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,720
you know you know we're really you know

1697
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,839
hell-bent on

1698
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,240
uh creating you know you know what you

1699
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,000
would call a new world order

1700
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,559
um and you know i mean it has basis in

1701
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,920
history it was founded by a guy named

1702
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,280
adam weishaupt

1703
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,760
um it appears to be you know messiah it

1704
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,200
is masonic in origin

1705
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,599
he was a freemason um there are ties to

1706
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,280
the jesuits with this

1707
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:35,599
it's funny that you know you you mention

1708
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:36,319
um

1709
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:40,480
i don't disagree with what you're saying

1710
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,359
as um

1711
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,599
in in in cinema symbolism two which is

1712
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,880
the book i'm writing right now i don't

1713
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,160
want to give too much away

1714
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,920
but i actually have a chapter in this um

1715
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,000
titled the illuminati in film

1716
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,280
um and i i delve into some films that um

1717
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,359
you know you know that have illuministic

1718
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,400
themes in them

1719
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,640
but also the illuminati is actually

1720
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,079
mentioned and of course

1721
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,119
lara croft tomb raider is one um

1722
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:05,040
and you're absolutely right and and and

1723
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,240
it's funny because

1724
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:08,400
um weishaupt if you pay attention to

1725
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,280
that movie

1726
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,760
vaishav modeled the illuminati man this

1727
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,040
ties in the masonry

1728
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,440
around uh the sun and if you pay

1729
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,520
attention to lara croft tomb raider

1730
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:20,640
um you know you know the illuminati is

1731
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,839
surrounded with a lot of solar

1732
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,920
references um

1733
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,920
off the top of my head it escapes me

1734
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,359
it's funny you mentioned

1735
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,839
laura croft tomb raider um pay attention

1736
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:31,440
you know that that movie is based on a

1737
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:32,480
video game

1738
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,599
um and and this is great now i know this

1739
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,960
is intentionally done

1740
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,799
um if you if you watch that movie again

1741
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,240
that movie is it

1742
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:42,640
looks like a video game uh yeah i mean i

1743
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,520
mean yeah

1744
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,440
i mean quite literally i mean you have

1745
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:47,040
the the training session at the

1746
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,839
beginning

1747
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:50,640
um you have puzzle rooms that you have

1748
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:51,440
to solve

1749
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:54,319
you have boss battles in it um so you

1750
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,280
know next time you watch

1751
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,119
lara croft tomb raider pay attention

1752
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,280
from a video gamer's aspect it actually

1753
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,720
looks like a video game

1754
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,319
but um you know you get into like a

1755
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:04,400
luminous you know in another movie

1756
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,079
angels and demons of course the

1757
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,160
illuminati is mentioned in that

1758
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,720
um movies that contain you know

1759
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,720
illuministic themes another one

1760
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:14,720
i mean that just screams off the pages

1761
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,520
um uh john carpenter's they live

1762
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,839
um you know with the the the space

1763
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,760
aliens controlling you know everything

1764
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,880
behind the scenes

1765
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,799
you know as a mind control device

1766
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,960
keeping mankind subservient

1767
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,039
um that's a great one that has very you

1768
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,599
know illuministic uh themes as well

1769
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,760
uh of course eyes wide shut with uh

1770
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,200
stanley kubrick again

1771
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,599
you know with the secret cabal um and

1772
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,680
you know this this ties into again

1773
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,839
you know puppet masters and and this

1774
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,839
ties into you know illuminati

1775
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,920
you know quote unquote the the sex magic

1776
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,240
rituals you know which you know get you

1777
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:50,400
get into like aleister crowley with this

1778
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,440
you know the kundalini magic um you know

1779
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:55,039
the sex magic temple

1780
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,799
you know with the illuminati is rumored

1781
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,640
to be in involved with

1782
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,400
so yeah i mean i mean yeah the the

1783
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:02,480
illuminati in film is is is a great

1784
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,200
study

1785
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,280
um and it's uh something i'm actually

1786
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,119
working on right now this is uh

1787
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:08,880
been going to be a whole chapter in uh

1788
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:13,510
now you when you're talking about

1789
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,160
christopher plummer and the jack in the

1790
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,680
jack that was murdered by the crew you

1791
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,359
were referencing

1792
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,839
yeah that's right that's right yeah okay

1793
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:22,960
yeah

1794
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,599
i remember that now where they excuse me

1795
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,200
there was like an implication of free

1796
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,000
masons in that movie as well that's

1797
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:31,920
right that's right that that movie

1798
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,480
that movie came out in in the late 70s i

1799
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,559
want to say that was the first movie

1800
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,319
that was really sort of modeled after

1801
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,480
the murder was excuse me murdered after

1802
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,000
the christopher night book

1803
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,920
um which is titled jack the ripper the

1804
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,119
final solution

1805
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,280
where where where where the the ripper

1806
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,960
killings are spawn

1807
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:51,039
are sparked as part of a masonic

1808
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,079
cover-up and

1809
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,559
because the prostitutes know too much i

1810
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:56,160
mean and and that's where they turn into

1811
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,599
a sherlock holmes movie

1812
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,960
yeah you're absolutely right christopher

1813
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,720
plummer played sherlock holmes

1814
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,480
it's been a while since that movie but

1815
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,559
he he solves it at the end and then is

1816
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,640
shut up the masons tell him look just be

1817
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:08,400
quiet or you're going to get in trouble

1818
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,760
um and this is the same thing that

1819
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:11,359
happens at the end of the of the from

1820
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,160
hell movie

1821
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,920
with johnny deputy time to shut up where

1822
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:15,440
you're you know you'll you'll be in

1823
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,240
trouble

1824
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:19,119
um and of course you know he eventually

1825
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:19,680
does and

1826
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,960
you know i don't want to give the movie

1827
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:22,799
too much of the movie away but yeah i

1828
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:23,440
mean i mean

1829
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:26,480
the whole idea of of the jack the

1830
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,960
ripper killings being this grand masonic

1831
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,079
conspiracy

1832
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,119
um was was put forth in this book um and

1833
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,799
again i i'm familiar with it i

1834
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,520
didn't i don't i don't buy into it um i

1835
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:39,200
mean it's a neat bedtime story and

1836
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,400
they're neat movies

1837
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,559
but um but i mean i don't believe that

1838
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,400
there was ever any sort of masonic

1839
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,079
hidden hand behind the jack the ripper

1840
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:47,839
killings

1841
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,119
now in in your books leading uh you

1842
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:53,280
you've made some statements that i need

1843
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,799
some answers too

1844
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:57,119
first of all double o seven where did

1845
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:58,000
the numeral

1846
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,359
designation come from oh yeah i mean i

1847
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,359
mean this is something i get into in uh

1848
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:04,720
cinema symbolism

1849
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,440
um yeah this is uh this is one of my

1850
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,280
all-time favorite uh you know i have a

1851
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,960
whole chapter on the james bond stuff in

1852
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,720
cinema symbolism that's out now this is

1853
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,240
an incinema symbolism too

1854
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:16,640
oh the james bond stuff is great um ian

1855
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:17,440
fleming

1856
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:20,240
um in in in world war ii was in british

1857
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,839
british

1858
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,240
um one of the guys who was under him was

1859
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:26,000
none other than aleister crowley

1860
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:28,160
um and the double-oh-seven sigil is that

1861
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,280
right

1862
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,760
yeah zero zero seven crowley crowley was

1863
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:33,520
a double agent in world war one and

1864
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:34,640
world war ii

1865
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,160
and um the the the double 07 sigil

1866
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:40,880
um a bond is a reference to an

1867
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:43,839
elizabethan spy master and a cultist and

1868
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,640
astrologer and basically uh queen

1869
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,079
elizabeth the first

1870
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:51,280
personal magician a guy named dr john d

1871
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,319
yeah you got it yeah yeah john d

1872
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,280
himself when when when d when d was

1873
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:59,119
infiltrating the holy roman empire and

1874
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,480
he would write espionage

1875
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,559
correspondences to queen elizabeth he

1876
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,160
signed the correspondence

1877
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:07,200
double o seven or zero zero seven um and

1878
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:08,400
the symbol

1879
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,599
glasses uh

1880
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,440
it was two circles with a line over it

1881
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,440
and a line down it looks like a seven

1882
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,520
and and the implication was that he was

1883
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,880
her eyes in the field

1884
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:20,799
and the correspondence was for her eyes

1885
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:23,039
only um which is where that term comes

1886
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:23,760
from

1887
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,039
and and and and you know you know d

1888
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,520
d was involved with the spy ring with

1889
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,440
sir francis walzingham people like

1890
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,520
giordano bruno edward kelly

1891
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:36,240
drake raleigh basically to to protect

1892
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,599
queen elizabeth the first

1893
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,839
from the society of jesus and and

1894
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:41,760
radical roman catholics for lack of a

1895
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,720
better word

1896
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,119
um but no dee was one of her spies and

1897
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:47,200
and fleming there's a very

1898
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,319
very deep hermetic and occult influence

1899
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:52,960
on crowl um excuse me on fleming

1900
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:55,760
coming from crowley um and you know i

1901
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,400
mean there are

1902
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,240
examples of this all over the place i

1903
01:07:01,349 --> 01:07:00,240
mean i could do another two hours on

1904
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,359
this if we had time

1905
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,839
but i mean i mean um that you know

1906
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,520
fleming wanted to use

1907
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:08,000
um d and kelly's inaki and magic as an

1908
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:10,319
enigma machine against the germans

1909
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:12,880
um when they when the british captured

1910
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,000
rudolf hess

1911
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,079
and threw him in the tower of london of

1912
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:18,720
course hess being hitler hitler's deputy

1913
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,799
although not well not all but a lot of

1914
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:22,240
the nazi hierarchy

1915
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,680
was interested in the occult and

1916
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,480
astrology um crowley actually went to

1917
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,440
fleming and said listen um he said you

1918
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,960
know you know you got rudolph hess we

1919
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:32,240
know he's into the occult we know he's

1920
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,520
in the astrology

1921
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,200
crowley said listen let me let me you

1922
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:37,520
know perform some rs croatia

1923
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,920
demon summoning in front of this guy you

1924
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:41,520
know we'll scare the living hell out of

1925
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,240
him and

1926
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:44,000
we'll try to get him to talk about the

1927
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:46,079
nazis you know and hitler's proclivity

1928
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:47,039
for the occult

1929
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,559
you know see if we can't find out some

1930
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:50,160
secrets and use it against him

1931
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,359
um fleming loved the idea and we

1932
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:55,119
actually went to winston churchill with

1933
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,079
it um

1934
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:58,559
and as the story goes churchill vetoed

1935
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:59,520
the idea

1936
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:01,839
but um yeah i mean double 07 is none

1937
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,720
other than dr

1938
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:06,000
john d uh queen elizabeth's the first uh

1939
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,799
you know you know inaudible

1940
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,720
well yeah he was an occultist and

1941
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:14,640
everything himself i mean

1942
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,319
uh that i did that well that floored me

1943
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,960
i didn't know that where's it came from

1944
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:23,359
uh oh yeah um you know and if you look

1945
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,719
at i mean

1946
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,799
yeah we don't have time for it but if

1947
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,000
you look at allah i mean

1948
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:30,560
fleming was very influenced by this and

1949
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:31,759
just briefly

1950
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,239
um you know if you look at the bond

1951
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,679
movies i have a whole chapter on it i

1952
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,440
mean you will find a lot of hermetic

1953
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,679
and esoteric symbolism the unification

1954
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:41,440
of the sun and moon the alchemical

1955
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,239
wedding

1956
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,799
um alchemy or goldfinger who's

1957
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,319
transmuting the golden fort

1958
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:48,400
knox to make it worthless to make his

1959
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,520
worth more money

1960
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,839
we have the dragon hugo drax the

1961
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,640
illuminist

1962
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:54,640
um ernest stavro blofeld who wants to

1963
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,080
take over the world

1964
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:58,799
um loads going on inside the james bond

1965
01:09:02,789 --> 01:08:59,600
movies

1966
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,799
um john d aside um it's a great study

1967
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,920
you know and again we just don't have

1968
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,600
time for it but check out cinema

1969
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:07,679
symbolism if you're into james bond john

1970
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,239
d

1971
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:10,319
um i got a whole chapter on it yeah i'm

1972
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:11,359
gonna have to get it now

1973
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,040
because that's uh i'm a i love

1974
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,319
the bond movies and uh it's yeah well

1975
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,480
that yeah i definitely got to get that

1976
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,359
so yeah you also put some references in

1977
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:25,199
here to um

1978
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:28,960
uh the giant faces that pass

1979
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,600
judgment on general zod and his

1980
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:32,799
lieutenants back in

1981
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:35,839
the superman movie from 78.

1982
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,120
uh what's so symbolic about that

1983
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:41,120
yeah no that's um that's interesting

1984
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,239
because that's a

1985
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:45,440
um um you know that's a reference to

1986
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,239
history

1987
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,400
um what you were actually witnessing on

1988
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,159
krypton there is something that was

1989
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,120
once a historical fact um you were

1990
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,040
witnessing the idea of

1991
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:57,360
standing before judges without a j

1992
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,840
without a lawyer without representation

1993
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:02,320
where a prosecutor can present the case

1994
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:03,199
and you have no

1995
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:06,320
say on it um and and justice is passed

1996
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:06,960
on you

1997
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,199
immediately um is something that is in

1998
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:11,040
history it was called the star

1999
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:14,320
chamber and it was a series of judges

2000
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,719
and

2001
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,640
it was part of the english court system

2002
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:18,719
where if you were brought up on a charge

2003
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,360
to face

2004
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,239
judge and um jury and execution or

2005
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:27,990
as well yeah yeah that well the movie

2006
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,400
with michael douglas was reflecting that

2007
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,080
it was a syria it was a group of judges

2008
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,679
who were passing justice

2009
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,400
on on on people who that the star

2010
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:38,640
chamber movie with michael douglas was

2011
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,679
was people who had gone to trial but had

2012
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,280
gotten off on a loophole

2013
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,440
but they knew they were guilty um so the

2014
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,440
judges were meeting in secret to put

2015
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:49,280
to put an assassin out to kill the

2016
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,560
guilty person

2017
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,520
in in in history the star chamber was

2018
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:55,120
created i want to say it was created by

2019
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:56,000
the tudors

2020
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,360
and it was basically a tool of the

2021
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:59,280
monarch just basically to go after

2022
01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:00,320
enemies of the state

2023
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,840
where they could be arrested stand

2024
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:03,840
before judges guilty as charged

2025
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,719
no lawyer present no representation and

2026
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,520
goodbye

2027
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:09,600
um the star chamber was naturally put

2028
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,640
out of business by oliver cromwell um

2029
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:14,880
you know i want to say in the 1640s in

2030
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,719
fact when the puritans came to power

2031
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:18,400
um it was one of the first things oliver

2032
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:20,000
cromwell did was um in the long

2033
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,640
parliament

2034
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,320
was put out of business to start her

2035
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,360
chamber so the next the point being

2036
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,040
you know getting back to the superman

2037
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:29,040
movie the next time you're watching um

2038
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:30,560
superman with christopher reeves and you

2039
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,560
see that opening scene with general zod

2040
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,320
know that what you're watching was once

2041
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,000
uh it was history

2042
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,520
you're actually watching history on

2043
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:40,159
screen um and that once existed here um

2044
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,960
in england

2045
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,960
um and you're watching a cinematic star

2046
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,719
chamber before your very eyes

2047
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,320
with general zod there and the giant

2048
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:48,640
faces um the judges passing

2049
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,760
passing sentence on zod and his cohorts

2050
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,520
i don't know how you figure this out i

2051
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,040
mean that that i

2052
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,120
that would seem like a reach to me but

2053
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,320
you know that you

2054
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,400
how you described it you're absolutely

2055
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:05,590
but i mean what what what this was yeah

2056
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,640
no i mean

2057
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,159
you know i mean i mean when what

2058
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:10,320
happened was um when i was doing royal

2059
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:11,360
arch of enoch

2060
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,840
mean i was a product of 20 years of

2061
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:17,440
history and writing and researching i

2062
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:18,800
was a history major

2063
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,320
um you know i i love studying history

2064
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,960
um and and and royal arch of enoch began

2065
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:26,640
back in 1992

2066
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:29,920
um the book was published in in 2012

2067
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,800
and um what what i essentially did lon

2068
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,080
for lack of a better word

2069
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,000
was i took that 20 years and i turned it

2070
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:37,679
on hollywood um

2071
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,280
and and and like i said at the at the

2072
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:40,800
very beginning of the show and i you

2073
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:41,120
know

2074
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:47,679
i only present material as a lawyer um i

2075
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,280
only present the information

2076
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:51,120
and i dissect the movies that i'm

2077
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,880
absolutely 100 percent sure the

2078
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,239
materials in

2079
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:56,000
and i am absolutely i mean i i would

2080
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,520
have no problem presenting it to a judge

2081
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,120
or jury let's put it like that

2082
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,960
so i just took this 20 years and turned

2083
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,560
it on hollywood and um

2084
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,440
alkane cinema symbolism and um and it's

2085
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,840
sequel cinema symbolism too which is uh

2086
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:10,239
again being uh being written uh as we

2087
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,199
speak

2088
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:13,679
that's fascinating it really is and

2089
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:15,679
there's one more here i gotta ask you

2090
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,560
since the uh the new movies are coming

2091
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:19,600
the new

2092
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,360
generation of star wars is coming out uh

2093
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,600
where did the name of luke skywalker

2094
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:26,880
come from

2095
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:29,280
oh yeah well i mean i mean this is a a

2096
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,159
massive

2097
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:32,159
um undertaking here but i'll just get

2098
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,520
into it very quickly

2099
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,760
um natural of course i haven't seen the

2100
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,840
new star wars movie coming out um i mean

2101
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,199
i'm aware of it of course

2102
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,239
um i dissect all six of the earlier star

2103
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,360
wars movies

2104
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:46,560
um in cinema symbolism both trilogies

2105
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,840
um basically um the the the

2106
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,920
what we what you were dealing with with

2107
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,760
the first three star wars movies and of

2108
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:55,600
course i'm going in chronological order

2109
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:56,640
this is episodes four

2110
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:59,520
five and six um you know a new hope

2111
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,159
empire

2112
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,040
jedi is um these movies come out of the

2113
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,880
world of an american mythologist and

2114
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,880
symbolist called joseph campbell

2115
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,640
um who wrote a book called the hero with

2116
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:10,560
a thousand faces the hero with a

2117
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:13,120
thousand faces is the sun it's the solar

2118
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:13,760
hero

2119
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,960
the solar savior the solar archetype um

2120
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,080
and this is of course what luke

2121
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:20,480
skywalker is um this is the

2122
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,679
the young man plucked from nowhere

2123
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,920
to save the galaxy from the dark evil

2124
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:28,320
lord um the name luke i mean his name is

2125
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:28,960
the sun

2126
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:31,280
the name luke comes from the latin lux

2127
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,159
meaning light

2128
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:34,480
and what light walks across the sky the

2129
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,199
sun

2130
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,280
um and of course if you want to go into

2131
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:38,640
mythology in this

2132
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:41,679
um you know the the premier sun god of

2133
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,320
you know

2134
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:45,120
of antiquity is apollo um and who is

2135
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,480
apollo's sister

2136
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:48,960
um the moon um and of course who's

2137
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:49,760
luke's sister

2138
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,760
leia who runs around in the white robes

2139
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,679
of the moon if you get into comparative

2140
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,560
religion

2141
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:57,199
um you know apollo you know his his

2142
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,560
equivalent in egypt

2143
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:01,199
is horus the sun god and you know who

2144
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,719
does horus do battle with

2145
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:05,040
his egyptian god seth who is the

2146
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,560
egyptian lord of darkness

2147
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,320
so who does luke skywalker do battle

2148
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,080
with the sith lords

2149
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,719
um so you have a lot of neo you know you

2150
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:14,960
have a lot of neo manichaeanism

2151
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,000
comparative religion solar lore

2152
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,640
um the solar savior um if you want to

2153
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,640
see this character in other movies

2154
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,040
um the solar hero the city you know the

2155
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,520
savior figure the savior archetype

2156
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,400
um you know i mean obvious examples

2157
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,880
frodo baggins the solar savior

2158
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,800
the christ savior of middle earth who

2159
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,840
defeats the dark evil lord

2160
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,520
sauron uh if you want to go to a more

2161
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:41,760
modern movie you know or or more you

2162
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,719
know

2163
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:45,120
movie set in the modern world the matrix

2164
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:45,840
films

2165
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,800
neo the christ like resurrected savior

2166
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,880
who's going to save mankind

2167
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,960
from the dark evil machines if you you

2168
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,880
know these are more obvious examples

2169
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,560
if you wanted to see more hidden

2170
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,159
examples of this um

2171
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:01,920
12 monkeys terry gilliam 12 monkeys

2172
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,040
12 houses of the zodiac james cole the

2173
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:07,280
resurrected savior who comes back

2174
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:10,960
to save mankind um from a deadly virus

2175
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,239
james cole jc jesus christ um

2176
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:16,239
you know who who helps him the sacred

2177
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,800
feminine you know the the psychiatrist

2178
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:20,880
raleigh you know the sacred feminine

2179
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,719
she's the only one who believes him just

2180
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:24,320
like mary magdalene is the only one who

2181
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,360
believes jesus

2182
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,840
so yeah the solar savior the solar

2183
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:28,800
archetype

2184
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:31,520
very popular in film some more movies

2185
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:31,840
are

2186
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,320
star wars is a great study

2187
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:38,400
and i do all six movies in cinema

2188
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,550
now the star wars do you i mean do you

2189
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,040
think it was actually written like that

2190
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,400
do you think no question really oh

2191
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,480
absolutely i mean i mean lucas has said

2192
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,840
over and over again

2193
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,000
um that that the star wars movies are

2194
01:17:02,550 --> 01:16:59,920
based on joseph campbell's book

2195
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:02,560
what campbell talks about i'll get into

2196
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,520
this briefly

2197
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,040
what campbell talks about in the hero

2198
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,800
with a thousand faces it's the solar

2199
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:08,719
journey of the solar hero

2200
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,199
and what campbell lays out is certain

2201
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:13,040
things happen to this hero

2202
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:15,600
um on this journey and what one of the

2203
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,480
great examples

2204
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,880
is um i mean you'll find this in all in

2205
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:20,080
all these movies that i just talked

2206
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:21,520
about i mean my god the character even

2207
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,480
looks alike

2208
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,640
um is is what campbell talks about is

2209
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,159
one of the things that the solar

2210
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:28,560
hero eventually and he says it happens

2211
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:29,199
very early

2212
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:32,080
earlier in the journey is he encounters

2213
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:32,800
the hermit

2214
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:34,960
the wizard figure um and the wizard

2215
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,840
always

2216
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,880
you know helps the hero along by you

2217
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,719
know the the wizard possesses the wisdom

2218
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,400
but only gives it out piecemeal

2219
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:44,400
and helps the hero on his journey of

2220
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,600
course in star wars

2221
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:47,520
you know in episode four this is obi-wan

2222
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:50,560
kenobi this is yoda in episode five

2223
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:53,760
this is you know gandalf the gray in

2224
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,480
in lord of the rings um this is albus

2225
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,239
dumbledore and harry potter

2226
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,760
i mean they all look alike it's the old

2227
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:01,760
graybeard character um

2228
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,679
so yeah i mean this is definitely

2229
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,800
intentionally done

2230
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,120
and i get into some of the symbolisms

2231
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,800
and and themes

2232
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,040
of um the first three star wars movies

2233
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,040
phantom menace clones and sith

2234
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,920
um very very interesting themes going on

2235
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,600
in those movies as well as well

2236
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:20,480
and those are all george lucas um so

2237
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,199
yeah though

2238
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:23,040
this is definitely intentionally done no

2239
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:24,960
question about it

2240
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:27,920
you know it's almost like it's almost

2241
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,239
like

2242
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:30,080
it was based and maybe some of these

2243
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:31,280
other movies were

2244
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,440
to the journey of jesus oh of course

2245
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:37,600
i mean it's the sun it's it's i mean you

2246
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,800
know you get into the whole thing with

2247
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,880
jesus being the the sun figure

2248
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:43,520
the sun god you know the 12 apostles are

2249
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,159
the 12

2250
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:46,320
houses of the zodiac that help the sun

2251
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:47,920
god on his annual journey

2252
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,840
you have the death and resurrection

2253
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,120
right i mean you have come on

2254
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,960
i mean you have you know i mean you have

2255
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:54,239
the death of right you have the death

2256
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,840
and resurrection of jesus

2257
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,600
i mean neo anderson is killed and

2258
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,520
resurrected um

2259
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,960
i mean you know you know i mean i mean

2260
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:02,640
you you know you get into

2261
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:05,840
um yeah i mean you you absolutely find

2262
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,400
these

2263
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:09,280
jesus solar themes surrounding a lot of

2264
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,000
characters

2265
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:13,040
in in movies um and of course if you you

2266
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:14,239
know this is something i get into more

2267
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:15,360
and more royal arch

2268
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:18,400
is the whole idea of um you know

2269
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:21,120
of jesus being the comparative sun god

2270
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,239
you know with jesus being the

2271
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,920
resurrected savior

2272
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:26,000
um you know being assisted by the 12

2273
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:27,520
houses of the zodiac i mean we have

2274
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:28,719
christmas coming up

2275
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,080
i mean the birthday of the sun is

2276
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,800
december 25th you know three days after

2277
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:34,000
the winter solstice

2278
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:35,920
the sun being dead for three days then

2279
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:38,080
being born on the on the 25th

2280
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,840
then of course we don't we celebrate its

2281
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,360
birthday on the 25th

2282
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,520
you know the sun is you know you know

2283
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,520
resurrected from the tomb of winter

2284
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,440
when the winter months die after three

2285
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,280
months at the vernal equinox

2286
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,760
this is easter did you the jewish people

2287
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:53,040
call this passover

2288
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:55,360
when the sun passes over the equinox on

2289
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:56,560
its way to the uh

2290
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,080
tropic of cancer corn this is all uh so

2291
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:02,080
this is all just one giant solar

2292
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,760
allegory from start to finish

2293
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,920
you'll find these that find us in movies

2294
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,520
and if you're more interested in it from

2295
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:09,520
a comparative religion standpoint

2296
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,040
check it out in the royal arch of enoch

2297
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,440
book i have a hundred page chapter on it

2298
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:15,520
because actually believe it or not this

2299
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:17,440
this whole solar journey is being

2300
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,080
mirrored

2301
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,080
in masonic ritual and again this is

2302
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,679
something i talk about in royal arch of

2303
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:23,679
enoch

2304
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,199
oh you sold me now i gotta buy the boat

2305
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,440
i'm sold well let me let me just let me

2306
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:31,440
just wrap up on this line um and i'll

2307
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:32,239
just say this

2308
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,440
real quick if you're interested in

2309
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:35,360
purchasing the books you can get the

2310
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,320
paperbacks

2311
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,159
um but i would just add that as a

2312
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:40,639
holiday sale christmas hanukkah kwanzaa

2313
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,600
winter sauce

2314
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:43,679
whatever whatever your flavor is the

2315
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,719
e-books of

2316
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,120
cinema symbolism and royal arch of enoch

2317
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,320
are currently on sale for 6.99

2318
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,239
they usually sell for 10 bucks they're

2319
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,400
on sale for 6.99

2320
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:56,159
that's the amazon kindle the barnes

2321
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:57,440
noble nook

2322
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,880
the i the apple i bookstore version um

2323
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,800
on sale right now it won't last forever

2324
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,159
it's a holiday sale

2325
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:05,679
so if you're you know it's much cheaper

2326
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,080
than the paperbacks the ebooks of royal

2327
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,320
archiving i can send them the symbolism

2328
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,320
are on sale right now as we speak for

2329
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,360
6.99

2330
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:15,280
but the sale won't for last forever so

2331
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,639
jump on that immediately

2332
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,159
well i'm going to go there tonight after

2333
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,400
the show and buy it i

2334
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:23,199
surely am i'm looking forward to the

2335
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:24,560
second one now and i haven't read the

2336
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,199
first one

2337
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:27,280
i mean this is pretty cool i mean i you

2338
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:28,239
know

2339
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,840
i didn't really expect all these uh

2340
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:34,639
connections but you know it's very

2341
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,520
interesting

2342
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,840
and this thing with aleister crawley and

2343
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:38,880
uh

2344
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:41,199
and ian fleming that just flips me out i

2345
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,000
didn't even realize

2346
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:44,400
there was a connection there that is oh

2347
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:45,040
yeah i mean

2348
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:49,199
a whole thing i mean it's i call i have

2349
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,719
a whole chapter of it in the book

2350
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,840
i mean you could almost call it the

2351
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,840
occult world of ian fleming

2352
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:56,560
um you know when you get into this yeah

2353
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:57,440
i mean i mean he was

2354
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,639
you know he's hanging around with

2355
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,880
aleister crowley um i mean just real

2356
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:01,920
quick if you want to see

2357
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,440
other examples of this um

2358
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,440
another guy who was involved with the

2359
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,400
spy ring was a man named dennis wheatley

2360
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:13,440
um and and we wrote a book a novel

2361
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:13,920
called

2362
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,719
the devil rides out um and this was made

2363
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,719
into a movie by hammer studios in in the

2364
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,080
late 1960s

2365
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,520
um and there's an alistair crowley

2366
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,679
magician in that it's played he's played

2367
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,159
by charles gray it's moka

2368
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:29,040
um is is the alistair crowley uh figure

2369
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,520
in that

2370
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:31,120
so yeah i mean i mean crowley you know

2371
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:32,480
when it comes to fleming and dennis

2372
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,120
wheatley

2373
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:35,440
i mean he he's he's all over the damn

2374
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,840
place

2375
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,520
wow well robert

2376
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:41,600
i gotta thank you again for coming on

2377
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:44,320
with us uh this was very interesting

2378
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,400
and uh we'll have to get you to come on

2379
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,400
when you get the next one written

2380
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:50,159
yeah in fact you're rating a couple

2381
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,840
aren't you

2382
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,000
yeah i mean uh for starters let me say

2383
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:55,679
uh thank you lot for having me on arcane

2384
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:56,639
radio tonight i

2385
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:58,639
was greatly appreciated um i'll just

2386
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,840
wrap up by saying you know i already

2387
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:01,199
went over the sale if you're interested

2388
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:01,679
in

2389
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:06,560
twitter

2390
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,430
www.robertw.sullivaniv.com my name is

2391
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,040
robert w sullivan iv

2392
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,920
so it's www all lowercase all connected

2393
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,960
robert w

2394
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:19,280
sullivan the letter i the letter v dot

2395
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,400
com um

2396
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,400
links there to buy the books social

2397
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,000
media yada yada yada

2398
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:25,440
yeah i mean i'm actually writing three

2399
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,320
books at once right now um

2400
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,840
well what i'm doing right now is i

2401
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,760
started another book of freemasonry

2402
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:33,199
which is actually coming along pretty

2403
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:34,320
well but that's somewhat on the back

2404
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:35,280
burner right now

2405
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,480
i'm actually writing the cinema

2406
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,320
symbolism 2 book and i'm writing my

2407
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:39,760
first work of fiction

2408
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,159
um also right now those books are

2409
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,239
written being written simultaneously i

2410
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,679
alternate between them

2411
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:47,199
um and i should have both these books

2412
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,800
done i'm hoping to have them both

2413
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,600
complete

2414
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,040
and submitted to the publisher and the

2415
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,199
editors um in the next six months in

2416
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,639
about six months or so

2417
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,320
so i'm probably looking at a release

2418
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,639
date on both books um probably autumn

2419
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,560
autumn of 16 hopefully

2420
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,480
um get them out before christmas of next

2421
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,880
year um and then then my plan is once

2422
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,159
these books are gonna go out i'm gonna

2423
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,679
i'm gonna finish off this next book on

2424
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,880
freemasonry

2425
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:11,040
um this should be the last book i write

2426
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,320
on freemasonry

2427
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,920
uh and this is just gonna really fill on

2428
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:15,440
a lot of the gaps in royal arch filling

2429
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,719
some more of the back story

2430
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:18,560
but no cinema symbolism too is being

2431
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,760
written right now

2432
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,840
um my first first work of fiction it's

2433
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,280
called a pact with the devil

2434
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:25,120
about witchcraft it's all kind of all

2435
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:26,320
kind of good stuff in that we got

2436
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:27,360
conspiracy

2437
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:29,760
um those two books should be coming out

2438
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:30,800
probably

2439
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,239
late summer autumn of 16 um and then i'm

2440
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,840
going to go to work on another book on

2441
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,960
freemasonry

2442
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,560
and probably another book on cinema

2443
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:40,639
symbolism cinema symbolism 3

2444
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,120
will probably also get started at some

2445
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,960
point well we're going to definitely

2446
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,719
have you come back with us

2447
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:48,239
and you know it's a great show i'd love

2448
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,320
to

2449
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:52,320
all i say is thanks again and we'll be

2450
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:54,000
catching up with you

2451
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,360
well thanks a lot for having me on our

2452
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,199
card radio and that was a great show and

2453
01:25:03,910 --> 01:24:58,560
uh we'll be talking

2454
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:07,189
great interview lon fantastic

2455
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,400
cool stuff he's very good i'm a bond

2456
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:12,000
freak i'm telling you you

2457
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,159
know my my wife was a bond

2458
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:18,880
nut and i'm a bomb nut and my son is as

2459
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:19,600
well and

2460
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:22,880
uh it's uh that that's just

2461
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,360
that just blew me away right there i'm

2462
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,880
just sitting here like oh my god

2463
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,719
there's so much stuff that i didn't even

2464
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,400
realize

2465
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,960
so so much to this stuff yeah it really

2466
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:34,400
is i got to get the books i got to read

2467
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:35,040
some of this

2468
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:36,639
i'm definitely getting it and right now

2469
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,760
they're on sale for 6.99

2470
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,080
that's right on the kindle and you can

2471
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,080
buy lots books too for the holidays

2472
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,840
yes buy lots of books for the holidays

2473
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,600
as well

2474
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,400
on the kindle all right folks well shall

2475
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,000
we pop up in the archives

2476
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,880
long been a good night and we'll catch

2477
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,880
you folks around on the next episode of